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April 26, 2005

If at first you don't succeed...

...you are going to be knitting that sucker over.

I tried. I really did try.

After my whining last week about my same old socks, I decided to strike out and try something different. I tried to not knit the same old sock. Unfortunately, I was not completely successful on the first try, or even the second.

When the latest issue of Interweave Knits arrived [Does anyone need that many shrugs? "I don't know," she says with a subtle lift of her shoulders.], I was attracted to the 'Go With the Flow' socks on page 96.

Aha! There it was, the sign that I should break out of my rather comfortable sock knitting rut in favor of an adventure in socky variety.

Goin' with the flow

The pattern calls for Cherry Tree Hill Supersock merino--which I know from experience is not entirely different from Koigu--and I just happened to have some Koigu destined to become socks anyway in a most springy colorway. Serendipity, I thought.

The pattern also calls for US1 sock needles. Perfect, that's what I use for knitting socks all the time anyway.

Cast on 60 stitches. Oh oh, the first twinge of doubt. I usually cast on 80 for socks that fit. Hmm, the pattern says this is a very stretchy stitch pattern. Ooookaaaay, I guess I'll just knit on and everything will be fine.

Bzzzt!! Wrong answer.

Although the socks knit up beautifully and I proved that I am indeed proficient at turning a heel, there is a problem. The cast on is too tight. Although they stretch enough to fit my foot, and presumably, my ankle, they do not stretch enough to fit over my heel. [See the sock on the left].

Flow_2Let us pause here and take a closer look at the cool ribbing [Click on the thumbnail for the extreme close-up].

Oh well, after a sigh and a small (unknitted) shrug I determined to try, try again. This time I cast on 60 stitches on US2 needles. [Is there a size available between US1 and US2, 2.5mm perhaps? I could really use a set of those].

Ugh, I hate knitting socks on 2s; the stitches are so flabby. I like my socks to be knit at a nice taut, perky gauge.

And sure enough, after turning the heel on this sock [and beautifully so, I might add], I determined that the gauge was just too loose. [See the sock on the right]. These sock would fit, but they would not wear well. The bottom of the heel would likely wear through in no time. Moreover, I reaffirmed that although I turn a lovely heel, I don't really like turned heels and I don't like how they fit on my foot. I have a short row heel foot.

So, what am I to do? I like the stitch pattern and the idea of having something different than my usual sock. However, I know that the same old sock will fit and wear the way I like.

Things I am considering:

  1. Giving up and knitting the same old socks yet again.

  2. Casting on more than 60 stitches on to 1s, knitting in the new stitch pattern, and doing a shortrow heel.

  3. Casting on 60 stitches and knitting the ribbing on 2s and knitting the rest of the sock on 1s with either a short row or turned heel.

  4. Some other combination or permutation of the above alternatives.
Any thoughts?

05:55 PM | Permalink

Comments

There are needles between a size 1 and 2 Brittany makes them as does Pony pearls, CP and my new fave Aeros. Aeros go in 2mm increments from 2mm to 4mm. Not that I am encouraging you to spend $$ but just letting you know such a thing exists. Of course you could just do the nifty ribbing on 2s and then break out onto 1s when you get to the lace leg pattern proper...

Posted by: elka at Apr 26, 2005 6:43:53 PM

A quick search seems to turn up Crystal Palace bamboo double points in size 1.5, or 2.5mm.

If its just the cast-on that's too tight, why not just do the cast-on on 2s or 3s, then switch back to the 1s immediately to do the ribbing? I've done that on sweaters (I've not yet managed to make socks...)

Posted by: melissa at Apr 26, 2005 6:44:23 PM

I'd second Melissa's suggestion -- cast on with the larger needles, and maybe do a few rows, and then go back to the smaller needles. I routinely find my cast on's / cast off's too tight when I'm doing socks, but the rest is usually fine.

Posted by: Aven at Apr 26, 2005 7:03:32 PM

Ditto what Melissa and Aven said. And if you like short row heels then knit 'em!

Posted by: Jessica at Apr 26, 2005 7:44:13 PM

Hrm, I was going to say just mix your reg sock pattern and the cool ribbon to make a NEW, even MORE awesomer pattern!!! but then again, maybe jsut casting on with larger needles like evryone said is the way to go!!! (oh! AND replace the heel with a short row version. np)

Posted by: Lara at Apr 26, 2005 9:39:13 PM

Just to add my thoughts to the throng ! :
Cast on over 2 x 2s,then do a couple of rows on the 2s,changing to 1s for the rest.If the short row heal is the one you like best then knit it.You have to wear the socks so they need to suit you - custom knitting !
The pattern looks fab in that yarn.
Send me your address and I'll send you some ebony 2.5mm needles,my preferred sock needles.Really ! :0)

Posted by: Emma. at Apr 27, 2005 1:48:20 AM

I just turned the heel on a pair of these myself - hmmm better go check i can fit them over my heel!

i usually cast on for socks holding two needles together, just to make sure it really is good and loose. after casting on, just pull out one of the needles and carry on as you were.

Posted by: anna at Apr 27, 2005 1:58:30 AM

My suggestion is probably harder. I would have figured out the pattern repeat and added a pattern repeat if it was only 4-6 stitches and knitted it up in the smaller size.

I wonder if that would've worked out in the heel though, hmmmm....I'd have to think about it.

Still, it's something to consider.

You're right, though, that ribbing is super-cool!

Posted by: Troy at Apr 27, 2005 4:55:36 AM

YI has the odd-sized Brittany dpns you need. Hope to see you at MDSW next month.

Posted by: Sue at Apr 27, 2005 5:27:22 AM

I often use one size needle on cuffs and go smaller when I get to the heel and foot. Also, I think most sock knitters know what kind of heels/toes fit their feet. I tend to do the same sock from the heel down to toe. I enjoy the different patterns for the cuff, and sometimes even the instep, but I use the heels/toes I know fit me best.

Posted by: Bliss at Apr 27, 2005 8:26:06 AM

I would've done what Troy suggests. Although, Pony Pearl DOES make what we might call "size 1.5 needles".

As for the (knitted) shrugs, I begin to be annoyed. I don't want knitting to devolve into the "this is what you gotta have for this season" game, where everything but the "gotta have" is ignored into invisibility. (Have you ever tried shopping for a grey skirt in a season when the "in" colors are black, white, red, and fuchsia? Exercise in frustration, man.)

I wonder if that Manolo-blogger guy has weighed in on the shrug yet...

Posted by: fillyjonk at Apr 27, 2005 11:14:18 AM

I'd do #2 almost automatically. But I also like some of the suggestions to cast on and do a couple of rows with the larger needles and then change over to the #1s.

The pattern looks really nice.

Posted by: Mary at Apr 27, 2005 11:33:58 AM

I'm in the midst of exactly the same trying to get out of my sock rut, but keep running into problems scenario. I guess the reason the 'rut' works out so well is that when you do the same thing over and over, there are fewer mistakes. I clicked to comment about size 1.5 needles, but I see a lot of others have already mentioned the 2.5mm needles.

Posted by: Cassie at Apr 27, 2005 3:38:43 PM

I do what everyone else seems to do - new pattern at the top, standard short rows for the heel, etc. Also, I've got both Koigu and Cherry Tree Hill on the needles, and although they have similarities, the CTH definitely has a smaller gauge, so that could be throwing you off. I'm having a similar issue, and also considering knitting the cuffs on 2's and the foot on 1's - just seems to make sense, esp. if you have cankles like I do!

Posted by: Julia at Apr 28, 2005 9:05:48 AM

I'm a relatively new sock knitter and what I'm going to suggest has been covered here earlier, cast on with 2's, knit with 1's plus short row heel. I really love your socks and would like to knit a pair too but have just 2 hanks of Koigu. Do you it will enough for size 6 feet?

Posted by: Siow Chin at Apr 28, 2005 9:00:58 PM

I would definitely go with the larger needles for the cast on and possibly the rib then change back to the smaller ones. I always do the short-row heal and toe. I'm actually thinking of branching out and doing a different heal for a change. Maybe.

Posted by: Teresa C at May 1, 2005 7:24:12 PM

The socks will be beautiful. Just do whatever works for your feet. I use the 6" inox grey needles from TheKnitter.com as they come in the 2.5mm size. I also cast on over two needles when I start.

Posted by: Azhar at May 3, 2005 7:12:07 AM